How to Fit a Hat Over Hair?

Richard John S

I was just wondering how do you effectively fit a hat over hair? I haven't wanted to do this until now, but I have no idea how to do it without hair poking out of the hat. I am trying to fit the santa hat over the hair of my Genesis 3 figure. I see there is a hat helper for G2, but nothing for G3.

mjc1016

There are three ways of doing it...creating a fit morph in an external modeller, using Deformers on the hair or using this

http://www.daz3d.com/hat-and-hair-helper-genesis-2 (not sure if she is doing a Genesis 3 version...which you found). 

The external modeller requires exporting the figure, the hat and the hair and tweaking the hair.

Deformers...I'm not very good with them, so I'm not much help there.

barbult

You can use the Geometry Editor tool to select polygons of the hair that should be hidden by the hat and then hiding the selected polygons.

mjc1016

barbult said:

You can use the Geometry Editor tool to select polygons of the hair that should be hidden by the hat and then hiding the selected polygons.

#4...

That's a good one...much less messing around.

Richard John S

Thanks for the tips guys.

SickleYield

mjc1016 said:

There are three ways of doing it...creating a fit morph in an external modeller, using Deformers on the hair or using this

http://www.daz3d.com/hat-and-hair-helper-genesis-2 (not sure if she is doing a Genesis 3 version...which you found). 

The external modeller requires exporting the figure, the hat and the hair and tweaking the hair.

Deformers...I'm not very good with them, so I'm not much help there.

 

Possible.  Even if I don't, though, the G2 version still works on G3, just autofit it and then fit the hair to the Helper.

Richard Haseltine

You can also render twice, once with and once without hair, layer them o top of each other in an image editor, and erase the unwanted hair areas to show the hairless version.

Ron Knights

I'm lazy. I'd prefer if the artists who create hair add a morph that would make the hair fit under hats easily. Or if a hat maker included some morphs for a few popular hairstyles. I like the Western Hats with Hair collection, although I may not have used it yet! http://www.daz3d.com/western-hat-with-hair

Richard Haseltine

Ron Knights said:

I'm lazy. I'd prefer if the artists who create hair add a morph that would make the hair fit under hats easily. Or if a hat maker included some morphs for a few popular hairstyles. I like the Western Hats with Hair collection, although I may not have used it yet! http://www.daz3d.com/western-hat-with-hair

The problem would be that different hats woud require different morphs depending on how they fitted.

mjc1016

Ron Knights said:

I'm lazy. I'd prefer if the artists who create hair add a morph that would make the hair fit under hats easily. Or if a hat maker included some morphs for a few popular hairstyles. I like the Western Hats with Hair collection, although I may not have used it yet! http://www.daz3d.com/western-hat-with-hair

So, you'd be willing to pay about triple for each hair?

cm152335

a good idea for hair creators,

is to predefine a HAT option in their hair creation
with an invisible 'cup' that push top hair

Tramp Graphics

There's also a product called Deformers Plus: Hat Head. 

maxmax74

barbult said:

You can use the Geometry Editor tool to select polygons of the hair that should be hidden by the hat and then hiding the selected polygons.

Hello there,

I've used this technique to hide my character's hair that were displayed over his cap. That worked perfectly, but I've found the behaviour of the selector a bit strange : when using selection mode lasso or marquee, polygones on the other side of the head were also selected. So I had to align precisely the view with the xAxis of the head so I didn't misselect the hair from the other side. Is there an option to disable the selection through the character (or more generally only the visible polygones) ?

Thanks.